Comments on: Goose Gossage Is Still Full Of Himself http://cubsnotebook.com/goose-gossage-is-still-full-of-himself/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=goose-gossage-is-still-full-of-himself Just another WordPress weblog Tue, 10 Jan 2012 18:46:10 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: chris http://cubsnotebook.com/goose-gossage-is-still-full-of-himself/comment-page-1/#comment-358 chris Sun, 20 Jun 2010 07:24:56 +0000 http://cubsnotebook.com/?p=981#comment-358 I don't get it! Perhaps Goose is merely using certain stats and comparisons to make himself look good. While he says that it is "wrong" to compare 500 HR hitters of today with the past, he puts the 7-out save comparison to today's closers who are no longer called upon to do such jobs. I did a bit of research and came up with the following. Using a bit of the stats, Gossage's totals for the first 1000 or so innings 1972-1983 (minus 1976 when he was a starter) look like this: 1012.1IP 6.8h/9 3.81BB/9 8.37K/9 2.61ERA. Gossage was 31 to this point -still young by baseball standards and there were far more pitchers who pitched more innings in 12 seasons. Rivera meanwhile has numbers like this for the first 1000 or so innings. In fairness, I subtracted his first year stats as a starter. I have Rivera's current numbers through age 40. 1045.1IP 6.8h/9 2.0BB/9 8.4K/9 2.02ERA I understand that pitching 3 innings in one night is different from pitching 1 inning for three nights, but this is merely a way to gauge for time playing. Both pitchers were/are excellent and from a different era, but it is hard to ignore Rivera's numbers. In the same number of innings, he has walked far less and that has made a big difference. I remember Goose mentioning that he would not know what his numbers would be like had be used for one-inning saves. Well, walking almost 4 batters per nine innings may more than likely put him in the same category as k-rod with less strikeouts. Next time Goose, stop with "we are from a different era" and leave things at that. Anyone who follows baseball can see that. Cy Young completed 92% of his games, there are hardly any complete games today -but this is because the game has changed and it is often not the fault of the starting pitcher. I don’t get it! Perhaps Goose is merely using certain stats and comparisons to make himself look good. While he says that it is “wrong” to compare 500 HR hitters of today with the past, he puts the 7-out save comparison to today’s closers who are no longer called upon to do such jobs. I did a bit of research and came up with the following. Using a bit of the stats, Gossage’s totals for the first 1000 or so innings 1972-1983 (minus 1976 when he was a starter) look like this:
1012.1IP 6.8h/9 3.81BB/9 8.37K/9 2.61ERA.
Gossage was 31 to this point -still young by baseball standards and there were far more pitchers who pitched more innings in 12 seasons.
Rivera meanwhile has numbers like this for the first 1000 or so innings. In fairness, I subtracted his first year stats as a starter. I have Rivera’s current numbers through age 40.
1045.1IP 6.8h/9 2.0BB/9 8.4K/9 2.02ERA

I understand that pitching 3 innings in one night is different from pitching 1 inning for three nights, but this is merely a way to gauge for time playing.

Both pitchers were/are excellent and from a different era, but it is hard to ignore Rivera’s numbers. In the same number of innings, he has walked far less and that has made a big difference.

I remember Goose mentioning that he would not know what his numbers would be like had be used for one-inning saves. Well, walking almost 4 batters per nine innings may more than likely put him in the same category as k-rod with less strikeouts.

Next time Goose, stop with “we are from a different era” and leave things at that. Anyone who follows baseball can see that. Cy Young completed 92% of his games, there are hardly any complete games today -but this is because the game has changed and it is often not the fault of the starting pitcher.

]]> By: harvey http://cubsnotebook.com/goose-gossage-is-still-full-of-himself/comment-page-1/#comment-330 harvey Mon, 08 Mar 2010 18:07:13 +0000 http://cubsnotebook.com/?p=981#comment-330 I agree with Goose - steroid users should not go in the Hall of Fame. Most of the steroid users were using steroids AND amphetamines. Trying to compare modern day steroids to alleged greenie use in the sixties just shows how jaded contemporary fans have become about drugs in baseball. I agree with Goose – steroid users should not go in the Hall of Fame. Most of the steroid users were using steroids AND amphetamines. Trying to compare modern day steroids to alleged greenie use in the sixties just shows how jaded contemporary fans have become about drugs in baseball.

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